Like most folks my age, I do wonder about my knees, BUT, they get stronger during the telemark season. Skiing on the mittersill side, a little poorly covered, I caught an edge and fell, tweaking my knee. Also, once you feel a fall is inevitable, getting your skis out of the snow will keep them from getting caught and taking your knees with them. One thing to consider in telemark vs alpine is rigidity. You can make an appointment easily on our booking page. The graph illustrates the percent of injuries sustained in various sites and the type of injury. Although, equipment has continued to change a lot over the years, few brands have developed release bindings. If you want extra psychological support and have the release option, there’s a few out there, but other than the NTN, none are really on my list. Lower body is locked in lateral angles. Sondre Norheim is often credited for first demonstrating the turn in ski races, which included cross country, slalom and jumping, in Norway around 1868. Most telemark skiers worry the most about injuring their knees while earning their turns. I still get tired legs after a few runs - I assume this is most likely because I am just starting out again and "old" muscle groups are being used again after 5 years. Very good points, thanks for sharing. This is dictated by the stance and posture necessary to maintain good balance. I replaced both knees, six weeks apart, 3 years ago. Telemark skiing is a particularly physically demanding sport, especially on the quadriceps, hamstrings and gluteal muscles. How difficult is it compared to alpine skiing? Another older guy here, 72. Telemark skiing is the ultimate downhill feeling. It didn't take me long to figure out that telemarking is more physically demanding than alpine or snowboarding, and in a bad way. Read on to find out why snowboarding is easier on the knees than skiing—and why it just might be time to make a change if you're an oft-injured skier. Traditional Telemark bindings would not disengage in the event of an accident, resulting in a knee injury that typically results in knee surgery. Stand in front of the mirror with your feet parallel and about hip-width apart – ie in a skiing position. Also, when starting telemark, you will be less aggressive (probably) than you where on your skis or board. Bend your knees. Telemark skiing injuries: characteristics and risk factors. He is nursing a broken thumb after skiing into his 250-lb. Old data found here tend to show that it’s safer with a telemark release binding than a non release binding. This is expressed in median number of days to injury or how many days of skiing can we get away with before half of us are injured. It's pretty bad for your knees, it's just really hard on them. If you’ve never downhill before, telemark is a great way to approach the mountain at a friendly pace. 2, No. The survival analysis shows a definite trend to lower injury rates with the releasable bindings, though it is not statistically significant (but very close). Telemark builds muscles around the knee and stabilizes the articulation. Again, moderate flexion of the ankles, hips, and knees will allow for a light spring-like effect to unweight both skis when transitioning between turns. No binding system on the planet is 100% safe. 1999 Winter;10(4):233-41. Another way of looking at injuries is called Survival Analysis. Thanks so much for the videos. Snow conditions during which injuries happen cover the gamut of what skiers experience during the season. 1997 Nov;8(4):204-10. Other than that, I don’t see much need for releasable telemark bindings. Injury risk factors among telemark skiers, Tuggy ML, Ong R. Am J Sports Med. Can accidents happen? Are you interested in telemark? Can accidents happen? I’m sure the guys from the world cup do have a lot of stress on their knees. If you think you are about to fall, avoid falling back on the tail of your skis, 2. I just think the transfer of stress to the joints is much greater with alpine gear. In other words, the inside edge of the rear ski is cutting into the snow instead of the outside edge. Now check your email to confirm your subscription. And believe me, telemark skiers are reputed to fall a lot. 5, 2005, pp. For The Heroes of Telemark, Kirk Douglas needed a skiing double because he was so bad at it. Please try again. If I have knee problem, can I telemark ski ? Arthritis of the knee and hip are the most common aches and pains that discourage people in their middle and older ages from skiing. In self-reporting alpine skiing studies, the rate of injury is about 9.8/1000 skier-days in the late 70’s but with the decrease in alpine skiing injuries, the real rate is more likely to be 7/1000 based on more recent estimates. The beacon can’t dig you out. I ski 75 to 80 days a season without any knee pain. 2000 Jan-Feb; 28(1):83-9. This tends to send a certain segment of our population into a long tirade matched only by vegan crossfitters when told they are endangering their health. That’s why I’m still using the 7tm Bindings. During telemark skiing’s last growth spurt in the 1990s, many picked it up to ski the backcountry; telemark bindings were the most popular and lightest tool for skiing uphill. The mean knee angular velocity of the F1 and E1 phases during telemark skiing was about 0.47 rad x s(-1); during barbell squats, it was about 1.22 rad x s(-1). Though there are different ways to describe the injury rate, this is conceptually one that most of us can relate to well. He designed the free-heel binding that revolutionized the pastime. I ask him about the death of telemark. Worked as a Doc in ski resort for over 15 years. Obviously every day, every where. This is an exellent tutorial and helps me a great deal. The film crew spotted Olav Svartdal and friends carving … This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings. Get advice on smart ways to enjoy your hobby. As for Avi risk, this is why a lot of patroller are not allowed to use tele gear. If you've been asking: “Is skiing bad for knees?”, we are sure that this piece has given you more knowledge on how skiing can affect your knees. The 7tm-“releasable”models are the worlds only releasable telemark bindings tested and approved by the German TUV according to DIN/ISO standards. If you generally have knee problems and you go skiing you will feel it at the end of the day. A couple of thoughts: First make sure that you get an “athletic knee”. The risk of sustaining a tibial fracture is neglible since the heel will readily lift off the ski and the toe flexes forward easily in tele gear. The difference in equipment weight. Key words: telemark skiing, skiing injuries, injury rates Telemark skiing is a specialized form of skiing which al lows skiers to access and ski wilderness terrain. I telemark alongside Dickie Hall, the cherubic guru who runs the North American Telemark Organization (NATO— "the peaceful one," he reassures people). So getting my rythm back has been difficult, but watching these videos has helped re-set my brain. Telemark skiing, which uses the skis themselves to make the turn, caught the world’s attention at the very start of the modern ski era. Skiing with Peter and Polly up at Snowbird on Sunday, March 19, 2017. Backcountry telemark skiing is on life support. This can occur when the uphill ski—early in the initiation of a turn—is not weighted properly or is flat on the snow instead of being used to carve the early part of the turn. Just ask any 80 year old skier. Another consideration is comparing injury rates in number of vertical feet skied. Journal of ASTM International, Vol. Keeping hands forward will encourage you to fall forward and not sit down on your tails. 1-9, https://doi.org/10.1520/JAI12526. Most telemark skiers worry the most about injuring their knees while earning their turns. He designed the free-heel binding that revolutionized the pastime. The truth of the matter is, when it comes to bending without getting bent, he does have a choice. The arrival of NTN bindings, a solid performing binding with release has not created a mass movement toward this product because of the release option. Image by kimkircher.com Source: Article from montanakaimin.com by Cavan Williams A study out of Montana State University finds that fat skis are really bad for your knees. A forward-shear release is included also. Again, After years of telemark skiing and being around the community, I feel perfectly safe telemark skiing. On telemark gear, especially with the likes of my old T2s I still ski on, one absorbs so much of the shock throughout the whole body. My knees ache whenever I jump on alpine gear. Injury Rates and Injury Types in Alpine Skiing, Telemarking, and Snowboarding, Ekeland A, Sulheim S, Rødven A. Excellent video! I’m not a doctor. All athletes have experienced it some time or another… An aching pain or injury that halts the sport and forces one to take a step back and heal. Instead, try to fall along the fall line or to the side. The use of plastic boot has increased dramatically in the past two years from 38% to 51%. I'm falling in love with telemark for the 3rd time (at least): I'm sure that's the key for a fun, everlasting relation :) I really enjoy the opportunity to work on my tecnique, explore new sensations and why not improve the esthetics of the gesture. Releasable bindings were used by 11.8% of the skiers, and these skiers had 11% knee injuries in the study groups. Many wouldn't dream of just rocking a chair. Tele skiing is so much easier on my joints, I am able to ski pain free. Absolute Telemark 2021 - We like to teach how to telemark and share our telemark gear reviews. Telemarking is statistically second best on the knees, with about half the injuries of alpine skiing, probably because you can fall forward without tearing anything and some boots are lower and less stiff. After a day on teles my knees feel springy and good. But after 10 years of mountain rescue as a ski patroller in 4 different resorts, I certainly can tell you that telemark skiers are less prone to injuries. I believe the main reason for this is: 1. ISSN 1546-962X, The Skier’s Knee, Michael J. Rossi MD, James H. Lubowitz MD, Dan Guttmann MD. 3. Borrowing a solution from alpine, Telemark boots will now eject from the binding when the specified torque has been reached. As you gain more skill in weighting the rear ski (up to a max of 50% of the total between the two skis), you can start the process of learning the use of both skis to edge the turn equally. 1. buddy in the woods at Mad River Glen seven days earlier. I just practised this and it made a big difference to my skiing plus my legs weren't nearly as tired. My suspicion is that the greater stability of the plastic boot may prevent inadvertent falls involving the wrong edge of the ski catching the snow (a common mechanism of knee injuries). I think the most persuasive argument for having releasable telemark bindings is if you’ll be in avalanche terrain. For years, the mainstream ski media has been declaring the death of telemark skiing. What is the most common injury when you alpine ski: knee ligaments (way up there) and is alpine skiing more prone to injuries, yes. Is telemark skiing safe for your knees: definitely. The 1998-1999 season continued the trend of more backcountry deaths, particularly among snowboarders near ski areas. Thank you for putting this together. I had been running fairly regularly at the time, and so I was pretty focused on the health of my knees. BE DYNAMIC A good telemark turn is dynamic, not static. Coming back after a season ending injury last January (fractured distal tibia) even walking down stairs hasn't felt natural. Telemark: easier on the joints, harder on the muscles, they say. I’m 70 and have torn my ACL twice, same knee, do activities un-related to skiing. Their is a new research you can participate here, Is it because of the telemark gear or because of the people’s behavior? The routine use of avalanche beacons in the backcountry has become the standard practice of many skiers in the North America even though incidents involving skiers in this part of the country are quite low. “I wanted to see how a Ski Mojo knee brace would affect the movement required for telemark skiing and if it would make it possible to telemark pain-free.” Scott is an ISIA Level 4 card holder in Alpine and Telemark (the highest award in the ski education system). Releasable bindings, though not fool proof, appear to be a good safety feature consider strongly. At 66 I still ski often and always telemark. Over 50% of all types of injuries occur in packed powder and crusty conditions according to the respondents. Avoidance of these situations is preferable to the use of beacons as a thin safety net. 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The backcountry hut data produced an injury rate that is 1/10 of that of telemarkers as a whole and this is likely do to the amount of vertical feet skied on a average day when comparing backcountry skiing to lift area skiing. Sprains of various joints are the most common type of injury and most heal within a month. For The Heroes of Telemark, Kirk Douglas needed a skiing double because he was so bad at it. The film crew spotted Olav Svartdal and friends carving freestyle through deep snow one … I have knees problems, will I be able to telemark? This will prevent the majority of the forces that cause knee injuries from coming into play. Not necessarily. “The new telemark skier is young and athletic, often female, purchasing high performance product and skiing telemark in-bounds and side country more often than in the back country,” Bailey said. 1996 Sep;36(3):217-22. On most telemark bindings, there is no release. I had been running fairly regularly at the time, and so I was pretty focused on the health of my knees. Later on that day, on the groomers, I caught an edge and fell again, again, feeling it in my knee. Calgary pediatric AFO clinic – Kids are us! But now, they will be weighted more equally and carve parallel to each other the entire turn. This method allows for multivariate analysis of different risk factors and can tell us which are more likely to be significant with relatively smaller numbers. There are basically 2 groups of injuries: sprains and ligament tears. Concerned about skiing with arthritis? Never ski a slope you wouldn’t ski alone. If you unweight well between turns, you are less likely to catch your edge. Don’t get me wrong, releasable binding is not bad, but it’s not a must. The only injury I ever incurred was from jamming my kneecap through thin snow cover into frozen ground. Even the new flat cambered rocker skis that seem to turn effortlessly with just the motion of the ankle require knee bending, especially when the hill gets steep. friday i wrote a little text for my soprtclub and ski school about telmark skiing as winter activity for athletes and i’d also cited the relative safety of this sport discipline, today reading your text i fully agree with your words . In other words, when you know you are losing it, pop up out of the snow to lift your feet and edges out of the snow. This positions you to fall forward in the event of a sudden edge catching on the snow- a common cause of injuries at lift areas. 1. If you start to fall it depends on how you fall. Not enough tele skiers to get accurate stats but my impression is also of fewer injuries. Telemark skiing is named after the region of Norway where it was developed in the 1860s by Sondre Norheim, from Morgedal in Telemark. Traditional Telemark bindings would not disengage in the event of an accident, resulting in a knee injury that typically results in knee surgery. Injury Rates and Injury Types in Alpine Skiing, Telemarking, and Snowboarding, Irregular findings common in knees of young competitive alpine skiers, Why most knee injuries don’t need surgery to heal, Protect and stabilize your knee with a custom knee brace, Custom knee braces protect your ligaments, Pay attention to your ankles — they can slow you down with age, Early ACL surgery is less costly, more effective than rehabilitation and delayed reconstruction, Lower limb and knee account for >75% of musculoskeletal injuries in today’s military, ACL knee injuries in young athletes can be reduced with training. Ankles, knees, and hips are placed under stress to properly turn and edge Alpine skis. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. The angular velocity during telemark jumps was 2.34 and 1.59 rad x s(-1) in the F1 and E1 phase, respectively. By Nick Cherney. The passion for dropping a knee lives on with many skiers, but the state of tele gear tells the tale: There’s no tele-specific ski manufacturing and only a few boot and binding manufacturers. But remember, there’s another case for releasable bindings. Stefan makes us bend our knees, which is easy when we go straight ahead, but really difficult during turns. Injury risk factors among telemark skiers. If I have knee problem, how possibly can i telemark ski? Helps a lot to improve even if you're an advanced tele-skier!! Injury risk factors among telemark skiers. In the combined MCL/ACL injury, the front inside edge is caught then the ski is pulled out away from the body and center of balance, twisting the knee using the ski tip as the fulcrum. This feels very different from the stem turns that you learn on but forces you to edge, and therefore use, the uphill ski properly in your turn. Best decision I ever made. 1. Telemark skiing is named after the region of Norway where it was developed in the 1860s by Sondre Norheim, from Morgedal in Telemark. Skiing with Peter and Polly up at Snowbird on Sunday, March 19, 2017. Also, it feels like the foot's strength doesn't really transfer to the ski, which makes it difficult to attempt a turn. Telemarking is GOOD for your knees, Alpine is BAD for your knees. Unlike alpine skiing, the forward fall is quite a bit safer with a free heel boot. The 1997-8 ski season was particularly devastating among backcountry skiers with a higher rate of avalanche fatalities due to several group fatalities this year. Thanks Rene! Telemark skiing injuries: characteristics and risk factors, Federiuk CS, Mann NC. / Is telemark skiing any good ? Is telemark skiing safe for your knees: definitely. This video is like one of the fun lectures in college. Hi Renee, Nice to catch a blog on the topic. 2. Real honest answer is that I know more people that have quit alpine skiing and are now telemark skiing because of knee problems that the opposite. Keep your weight centered over the both skis with your ankles flexed forward, 3. Or we could say that it is much harder to put the same among of stress while telemarking. Everyone that practice the sport will agree, it’s the movement, the freedom, «It’s so gracious» is what you often hear. The way your foot is attached and the way the binding moves, in most cases, a fall will not cause injury. You can make all the excuses you want about how your stance is tall and you never ski low so your knees aren’t at risk but time and numbers (probability & … Yet today, these men and women visit our offices for “lube jobs,” as many call them, in order to enjoy winter sports. It makes me actually want to take notes. Telemark: easier on the joints, harder on the muscles, they say. Telemarking is GOOD for your knees, Alpine is BAD for your knees. We’re always happy to take a look at your knees and offer advice. In today’s modern age of freeheel skiing we no longer get power from only flexing into the toe box and smashing our knees; we get it from flexing in the ankles, knees, and leaning into the boot. My own experience would support this. Beware of the group bravado effect—we tend to take more risk when we ski in a group but it is a false sense of security. This injury is commonly found when the skier catches the inner edge of a lightly weighted or non-weighted ski. Most people can enjoy decades of recreational skiing without destroying their knees. What are the disadvantages of it compared to alpine skiing? Telemark skiing is named after the Telemark region of Norway, where the discipline originated. I have received more reports of lower leg fractures but most of these have been associated with collisions with a fixed object (tree or post), not a boot top fracture that is common in alpine skiers. I was in pretty decent shape going into the season, but my goddamn knees quickly became sore to the touch, for about six friggin' months. All the more reason to ski backcountry powder. I’ve actually popped out of my Voile 3-Pin Hardwire and Switchback bindings when I’ve gotten tangled up in an awkward fall. Source Telemark Skiing Injury Information. Here‘s somewhat of a proof. Bad skiing injuries are relatively rare, thankfully. Mild sprains heal rapidly and may involve the medial collateral ligament (MCL). We provide you with all information about the right technique and equipment for this uniqe skiing style. Controlling for experience (skill level) and bindings still showed this was a significant difference. Obviously every day, every where. Last weekend Big Sid (who incidentally is just as tiny as Little Sid) tried to persuade me of the merits of telemark skiing. Again nothing scientific here but I’d say a bit of both…. Telemark skiing is a particularly physically demanding sport, especially on the quadriceps, hamstrings and gluteal muscles. The combination of torsional stress and valgus force on the knee results in the common MCL/ACL injury shown in the animated sequence here on the right. I tele at only an intermediate level so still fall over a bit especially on BC snow. What are the advantages of it compared to alpine skiing? Very good video!! Later on that day, on the groomers, I caught an edge and fell again, again, feeling it in my knee. [Do this on an easy slope, as it is an exercise that feels very awkward for most at first]. In the late 1860s, a farmer named Sondre Norheim from the Telemark region of Norway began winning local ski competitions by turning with his knees deeply bent, his torso faced squarely downhill, and his outside ski thrust well forward and pointed into the turn. Wilderness Environ Med. It takes a while to dare to bend the knees in Telemark bindings because they feel like you're falling out of them. Borrowing a solution from alpine, Telemark boots will now eject from the binding when the specified torque has been reached. In the pure ACL injury, the tail of the ski is usually weighted and contacting the snow, and as the skier falls back on to the tail, it pushes the lower leg forward, placing shearing forces across the flexed knee. This technique has no direct advantages over skiing or snowboarding. My telemarking has already improved significantly. The study certainly supports this concern, as the most common injury is to the knee (about 30-35% of all injuries reported). I would tell those people that is not only worth it, telemark skiing has advantages over alpine touring, snowboarding and alpine skiing… To ski, we must bend the knees. Alpine Skier for 40 years, Tele skier for past 12 years, since undergoing both hip replacements and a total knee replacement. 4 Tips to Help You Ski or Snowboard With Arthritis Skiers and snowboarders dealing with arthritis have more concerns than just which resort to choose. You don’t get down into one position and stay there. These are a few essential steps to remedy weakness in the knees and take the telemark turn to a higher level. Telemark skier Scott Hammond reviews Ski Mojo (www.skimojo.com) and discovers that you can still ski on telemark skis if you have bad knees. In an avalanche, it’s a good thing to be separated from your skis. The impact of the increase rate of injuries at lift areas is revealed by the high number of injuries sustained skiing on packed powder surfaces. Telemark skiing has peaked my interest, but I have a few questions about it. Any snow condition that is predisposed to edges being caught up in a fall are higher risk. 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